Wrapped 2021 Integration Into Daily Drive, The Get Up and Daily Sports

[ThomasW2]

Plan

Free

Country

United States

Device

iPhone 8+

Operating System

iOS 14.8

My Question or Issue

Greetings!

Avid fan of all three outta the five personalized playlists (TGU, DD and DS) and I am wondering when/if the songs that play at the end of all three will be replaced with my Wrapped 2021 songs instead of my Wrapped 2020 ones?

Hoping It Will Be Soon,

Thomas W.

[Mario]

Hey @ThomasW2,

Thanks for reaching out to us!

As long as you keep adding songs to your Liked Songs and you follow new artists, your personalized playlists should update within a couple of days. If you haven't noticed any updates recently, you can try clearing the app's cache. Make also sure that you aren't listening in a Private Session. Anything you listen to in a Private Session may not influence your music recommendations. You can find more info here.

Hope this helps.

Cheers!

[ThomasW2]

@Mario,

Would the app's cache be impacting my On Repeat playlist as well? I've been away from my account for a few days - and I knew Spotify wouldn't update while I was away because I didn't play anything so it can't source anything - and have been back and listening to my Wrapped 2021 playlist in the hopes that my On Repeat will shuffle around to more so reflect Wrapped. It's been 14 days, according to the playlist. Do all I have to do is wait a few more days for my On Repeat to reconfigure itself? 

Thank You For Your Reply Regarding My Wrapped Question In My First Post,

Thomas W.

[MafeG]

Hi @ThomasW2,

Thank you for keeping in touch. 

All personalized playlists that update often depend on your listening activity, that includes your On Repeat playlist as well. Something that can affect that auto update is the app's cache, that's why @Mario's suggestion can come in handy to clear the cache. 

Another thing we can recommend is that you don't play your music with the Private Session feature on, since it may affect your recommendations. 

Also, take into account that the On Repeat playlist shows the songs you listen to the most, so this one can take a while longer to update if there aren't new songs you play repeatedly.

Let us know if you have any other questions.

[ThomasW2]

@MafeG,

I will indeed follow @Mario's advice and clear my caches on my various devices!

From what I understand, Private listening is only able to be done via the desktop application and on mobile? I don't believe I have had it on at all, yet will look!

I will indeed remind myself of what you typed here relating to the frequency of On Repeat!

Thank you both for responding to my continued posts!

What you wrote in the fifth paragraph (where you discuss On Repeat) sparked an underlying question that I think I may have hinted at or typed before yet perhaps not and/or in this manner: what is the exact pattern for The Get Up (TGU) and Daily Drive's song arrangement within the playlists? From my observations, it goes something like this for TGU:

- Get Started segment

- "Trendy" song that has a lot of listens 1

- "Trendy" song that has a lot of listens 2

- Get Tapped In's segment

- Song that's somewhere within places 1-15 on On Repeat

- Song that's somewhere within places 1-15 on On Repeat

- Get Talking segment

- Song that's somewhere within places 16-30 on On Repeat (and that's the exact same number in relation to 1-15; so, as an example if song 3 from On Repeat was selected in the first rotation it'd be song 18)

- Song that's somewhere within places 16-30 on On Repeat (and that's the exact same number in relation to 1-15; so, as an example if song 12 from On Repeat was selected in the first rotation it'd be song 28)

- Get Going segment

- A series of 12 songs that are in a series of 10-11 spaces apart from each other from Wrapped 2020. (So, like today mine is: 9, 18, 26, 33, 42, 50, 61, 70, 80, 89, 97 and then it goes back to number 5.

Once More I Am Grateful For You Assistance,

Thomas W.

[Kiril]

Hey @ThomasW2,

Thanks for your swift response.

Popping in here just to confirm that Private session can be used on desktop and on the mobile app as well. You can look about the switch to toggle a Private session on in your mobile app's Settings menu - just scroll until you reach the Social section. 

To your second question, we are not able to confirm what the exact pattern for the creation of these playlists might be, but for sure they both are using the data gathered from your past listening activities and gradually update themselves, as your musical taste progress and changes in time.

Hope this clears things up. If you have any questions or need anything else, the Community is here for you.

[ThomasW2]

@Kiril,

The information you provided is, while sparse in some areas, greatly informative and I thank you for all of your assistance!

I do believe I am going to take you up on another area I have confusion about: under my Liked Songs section, I have things at the very bottom that I know I liked at a later date than stuff that's further up. Could I send you a private message about this?

Wondering,

Thomas W.

[Ver]

Hey @ThomasW2,

Thanks for getting back to us 🙂

There are different filters that you can use in order to organize your playlists. Depending on how you've sorted out your songs, the songs you've added last could be on the top or the bottom of the playlist. You can check out this article for more information about the filtering options. 

If that's not the case, you can send us a screenshot of what you're seeing. We'll look into this further.

If you need anything else, the Community is here for you.

[ThomasW2]

@Ver,

There's such a plethora of options at our disposal to arrange playlists!

That sadly does not seem to solve my quandary, though. I have attached two screenshots to this message: 1) from my Shower Tunes playlist that I made upon creating my Spotify account on June 13th, 2020 and 2) my Liked Songs. I KNOW without a doubt that I Liked all of these first 70 or so songs that are in my Shower Tunes playlist far before they showed as such in my Liked Songs playlist; that July 3 or 5th date is when I reinstalled Spotify after I deleted for some time in late June for storage reasons and listed to the now blocked Coming Home by . Since then, it's remained stuck in this state of saying the dates are what they are and has refused to give me new music recommendations in different genres. Iunno if it's stuck or what I did wrong...  Look, I'm just kinda...not upset per say... but just wish, like, that I could get music recommendations again in my Daily Drive and The Get Up. My cousin has a Spotify Premium account and her TGU is still showing Wrapped 2020 stuff on it too... I love Spotify and just want it to be as great as it was when I first decided to do the show back in early November of 2020. I know this is scattered, and I thank you for reading all of this jumbled mess.

Any Assistance Would Be Great,

Thomas W.

S.T.L.S.

[MafeG · Accepted solution]

Hi there @ThomasW2,

Thank you for your swift reply!

In this specific case, we can't be certain about what happened that changed the dates the songs were added. However, the dates your songs were added to your playlists don't influence the recommendations you get on the personalized ones, since those are based on the actual listening activity. 

Now, since the algorithm that puts music into your playlists needs to be continuously "trained" to tailor your recommendations, for now the best we can suggest you is to keep playing new music, add them to your playlists and use the Like/Dislike buttons in the playlists where it's available. 

If you need a hand with anything else, the Community is here for you.

[ThomasW2]

@MafeG,

Greetings in 2022!

That's a relief to know that I have hope in getting a new algorithm together!

Would the best plan to get a bunch of new songs - and to help me to get new genres going into my Discover Weekly - be to listen to Radios from different artists? My current D.W. has a bunch of stuff I want to like yet I don't want to play them in the fear that it'll be a continuous feedback loop when I want to diverge in what Spotify gives me. 

Do you have any suggestions as to retrain the algorithm as to pretrains to Radios?

You Have Been Such An Aid To Me Thus Far,

Thomas W.

[MafeG · Accepted solution]

Hi there @ThomasW2,

It's good to hear from you again. 

The best way to train the algorithm is to keep playing and saving music from all sections on the app. That includes Discover Weekly, song/playlist radios, Spotify and user created playlists, etc. 

Your recommendations may get looped if there isn't enough new info to gather, so don't be afraid to keep saving and liking songs that are shown on your Discover Weekly.

Keep in mind that if you're going to play music that you don't want affecting your recommendations, you can always use the Private Session feature. 

Hope this helps!

[ThomasW2]

@MafeG,

With these tips in mind, I will be quite liberal in my use of the Like button going forward! Thank you for assisting me!

Reading through your response, I thought of a small kerfuffle...and it may be splitting hairs for no reason so just let me know if it's overly-nitpicky: you wrote to Like songs in the app and not in the web player or desktop. Would me looping a song on Desktop and/or the Web Player impact how Spotify treats that song going forward? Like, so, if I looped a Green Day song on the app would Spotify be more likely to serve up more alt rock songs than if I looped it on Desktop? Somewhat of a pointless question yet I still am trying to figure out all I can about Spotify.

I Love Spotify,

Thomas W. 

[Eni]

Hey @ThomasW2, 

Thanks for getting back to us. 

No worries, we meant in Spotify in general. This behavior doesn't change depending on the platform, so it doesn't make a difference if you do it on mobile, desktop, web player, etc.

Hope this clears things up. If you have any questions or need a hand with anything else, the Community is here for you. 

Cheers 🙂

[ThomasW2]

@Eni,

Thank you for your answers to my many questions!

I've noticed that my On Repeat and Top tracks this month aren't correlating to each other. Does On Repeat take into consideration of how many times I've played a tune while Top tracks this month just looks at what I've played and not the frequency?

Flummoxed,

Thomas W.

[Ver]

Hey @ThomasW2,

Thanks for getting back to us 🙂

The On Repeat playlist is indeed intended to not be an exact copy of your top songs in a month. The playlist tries to pick songs you love right now but sprinkle in an amount of discoverability and diversity in there so that you don't get bored too quickly of your favorite tunes.

We'd also like to apologize for the mixup in our previous reply: listening to personalized playlists like Discover Weekly has little impact on the algorithm.

Hope this sheds some light on the matter. The Community is here for you if there's anything else!

[ThomasW2]

@Ver,

As a preface to my message below, I just want to apologize for how much I've strayed from my first topic I made on this threat; I'm more than happy to create a new idea, if you would like for easier management of things.

So On Repeat and top songs are related and separate concurrently. 

Would you mind elaborating on the differing functionaries of On Repeat? I've never had any sort of recommendation component and instead am faced with an ever-shifting array of the same 100 or songs or so that refreshed every three days from the start of 2021  (that is up until around 19 December when everything just has kinda hung. It's updated once in those past days and I've added like 300-ish songs to my Library since then from known artists from a smattering of different genres). I just sorta want Spotify to, like, work the way you're describing it as it sounds even better than what I'm getting now (and that's saying a whole lot). 

Could I provide my account details to you in a PM/DM that you can then get a high-tiered support (not that I'm saying you're not but you have so many posts on the Boards here to tend to) personal to take a look at my account if I did something or if there's some sorta hiccup in my account set-up or something?

If D.W. has some (read: close to zero) sway on the algorithm, would you think that mass liking 300-ish songs that I typed about above would? I made sure to follow and Like the respective alums and looped those songs for some time.

Things Are A Bit More Dim Than Before Yet Am Hopefully They'll Sparkle Soon Upon A Response,

Thomas W.

[Yordan]

Hi @ThomasW2,

Thanks for your reply.

We can't provide exact details about the algorithms function for several reasons:

• they are a trade secret
• they constantly change, both by manually induced changes and by machine learning
• they are very dependent on the user's listening habits

Because of this, how your personalized playlists are generated might be completely different from that of another user. There's also no way for us or other support teams to take an in-depth look at the algorithm's effects on a user's playlists.

When it comes to On Repeat, its purpose is to collate your top 30 most played songs at the moment. Without a radical change in listening activity, a song from the last update of On Repeat is likely to be present in the new update as well.

Consider also that the system does try to prevent artificial manipulation and is tailored to try and recognize "natural" and long-term listening behavior. This means that continuously looping the same number of songs will not guarantee that all of them will be put in the playlist.

Hope this info was useful. The Community is always here if there's anything else you need assistance with.

Take care.

[ThomasW2]

@Yordan,

Those propriety patents sure do damper transparency of information (not an insult or anything close to the sort, just a very key observation here. I completely understand how guarded Spotify is about this...it's what makes them so much better than everyone else and so to just unveil it would lessen their grip on the industry).

Seeing as to how On Repeat looks for more organic patterns, would you advise to listen to like the same three songs every other day for a period of, like, two weeks to ensure they're accurately represented within your habits?

Pretty Sure They Would Be,

Thomas W.

[MafeG]

Hi @ThomasW2,

Thank you for keeping in touch!

As a side note, we'd like to ask you why you want to specifically spend time influencing the automatically generated playlists, as these are not meant to be manipulated.

If you don't enjoy the way On Repeat functions, it might be just better and easier to create your own playlist with favorites instead, than trying to influence how these playlists are generated. You'd have direct control of the songs, instead of relying on a variable algorithm. After all, the personalized playlists are just a nice extra, but aren't meant to replace manually built playlists.

We'd be on the lookout.