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After many years of loyalty to spotify our once great relationship has come to an end.
After one problem after another with the android app i have decided to cancel my premium subscription. I have given the service many chances over the last year or so to prove to me that they are really bothered about the quality of service they provide to all there customers (no matter what platform) but enough is enough.
Adios Spotify.... i will miss you (when you worked)
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I havn't given up on streaming music to my android device.... im just using a different provider. I have been running a subscription with them and spotify at the same time for the last 6 months or so, and havn't had one problem with there service (other than the odd album not being available). The basic functonalty of being able to login and stay logged in was already a major plus point over spotify.
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I'm in complete agreement, and sick to the back teeth of a service that used to work to work great, that I've paid for a long time, being broken. I'm cancelling my subscription as soon as I can find a viable alternative.
My issues:
1) I don't understand why the decision was made to not allow Android users to save music to SD cards... utterly nonsensical decision, anyone know the rationale behind this thinking?
2) Downloaded playlists disappear on both my PC and Galaxy Note. They're all there in the cache, the space is still taken up on my SD card and hard drive, but spotify doesn't see this, and has to re-download them all, a process that takes ~10 hours. The "fix" (delete the app and start again) is a joke. I have an 8 hour flight later today and no music, thanks Spotify
3) If they said 'Oh yes, we removed 'Save to SD' by accident, here's a patch to correct this error coming out at $date, then ok. But no, radio silence from Spotify, again, thanks for that.
And most of all I am fuming at how perfect spotify worked for the two years I had an iPhone4, and how utterly broken it is now I have an Android. Pathetic.
this talk of android being much harder to develop for than ios is no excuse. sure there are some problems with device-specific features and differences, but spotify doesn't use any of those (or *shouldn't*), and the vast majority of the types of bugs in spotify are *NOT* caused by device-specific differences -- they are caused by horribly amateurish code. it is not that difficult to write well-designed, well-behaved code against the android APIs that works flawlessly across devices -- there are many many high-quality android apps "out there" that do just that, many of them far more complex than spotify (ever played angry birds? or any other games that work flawlessly on any device? or how about any of the 3rd party music/media players on the market that work very very well compared to spotify?) the spotify app isn't even complex in its functionality -- it's a pretty basic music player. forget about all the UI bells and whistles, and realize that they can't even get the basic functions of a media player right. i see so many people on here defending spotify and it drives me **bleep**ing nuts. it isn't that difficult. and this isn't a free app/service. this is a professional application. you can argue that we don't pay for the app, but i personally would not pay for the premium service if it weren't for being able to listen with my phone -- that is the only reason i pay $10/month. i suspect the vast majority of mobile listeners would say the same. spotify is constantly dumping money into promotions and marketing and hype, but they can't even get a basic app on one of their most major platforms right (and their desktop app isn't without its problems either).
people who say they are doing everything they can to help their customers and improve their app -- that is straight up bull**bleep**! they invest a lot of resources in pandering to us in this forum, but at the end of the day, they give us nothing -- *NOTHING*. they've never once released a patch update to fix even the simplest of bugs or missing features (even previously existing features that were unfathomably removed) that people have complained about for MONTHS and MONTHS. they give us no real communication on updates (well, because they aren't working on any), and they don't even give us **bleep**ing changelogs when they do release a new version. they set up these formal bug report posts where they painstakingly collect information from hundreds of users (who actually believe their problem may one day be addressed), and then they do *NOTHING* with this information. it's been MONTHS -- even YEARS now, and basic bugs still exist in this app. this app could have been COMPLETELY rewritten many times over by now by any halfway competent small team of devs.
i just saw a post the other day from a rep that the rogue data usage issue *MAY* be a bug -- what? *may* be? are you kidding me? it's been SIX MONTHS, and you don't even know if it's a bug yet? let me help you -- IT'S A **bleep**ING BUG! and it's an inexcusable one. and it should be insanely high priority. you are chewing up people's bandwith and data limits and you don't even care -- not to mention what the hell is this data? that app could be sending ANYTHING to ANYWHERE and no one has any **bleep**ing idea what it's doing. this is unbelievable. is this the future of commercial software development? because i'm about ready to move into a **bleep**ing cave.
and yeah, i've tried the competitors, and their android apps ALL SUCK, and i'm sure spotify knows this. spotify obviously has the best service and infrastructure, so it's hard to walk away, but after a year of mostly frustration with the occasional being able to successfully stream music on my phone, i'm one inch away from going back to buying CDs and pirating music.
Thanks for your reply. It's good to know that others are feeling the same as I regarding these issues, I see no one has stepped in to defend the indefensible so far here. An explanation for why the decision was taken to not allow us to save to SD cards would go a long way to making me feel better about this, and even more so, you could really do better than, 'oh your playlists are disappearing, we 'suspect' it's a bug'. How on earth did this pass your Q/A - or let me guess, you don't do any, because we're not using iPhones. Great!
What hurts more than the incessant showstopping bugs is the complete lack of communication from Spotify about many of these isues (beyond that you suspect that they are bugs LOL), and I agree, how hard would it be to provide a changelog in future, so we as paying customers can at least see what features you have decided to remove with each update. Thanks.
@wolfmanbass wrote:
After many years of loyalty to spotify our once great relationship has come to an end.
After one problem after another with the android app i have decided to cancel my premium subscription. I have given the service many chances over the last year or so to prove to me that they are really bothered about the quality of service they provide to all there customers (no matter what platform) but enough is enough.
Adios Spotify.... i will miss you (when you worked)
Already tried Spotify for Windows Phone? Spotify for Android is **bleep**ing good vs. WP. 🙂
Thats good to know. Spotify for Android, completely broken, and even worse for WP.
@David wrote:
We have spoken about the SD card functionality in the past. The current version of the Android application was a complete rebuilt version of the previous one, and implementation of the SD function in this new version has proved a little tricker than we first expected. We are looking into bringing this feature back as soon as we can, however.
just STFU! nobody is buying this "it's really hard" bull**bleep** anymore. just stop talking.
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I can't understand how some people are having tremendous problems with the app on Android + Windows + IOS. All issues I have had I'v overcome all of them.
really, you can't understand how? have you seen the list of issues and missing features? do you have any capacity to derive a sense of quality from your general usage of the app? i'll go ahead and assume that you never:
- use bluetooth
- use the app while on the go (switching cell towers)
- use the app with a capped data plan
it's to the point where every time i fire up the app, i have this moment of anxiety waiting to see if it will load and play properly, or whether i'll have to kill the app, or reboot my phone... or maybe my phone will just reboot automatically after the app has been running for a minute. disconnect and reconnect to BT? -- yeah, that means killing the app. sync some new songs, and then try to stream over 3G -- yeah, now "no internet connection available" (that's a new one i saw yesterday) -- kill the app. every new combination of use cases i try brings a new set of bizarre unpredictable behavior. how about disconnecting from BT and then having the app start playing randomly two minutes later in my pocket -- that's awesome in meetings. how about when it locks my phone into 1X mode, starts stuttering like crazy and won't allow the phone to go back to 3G, even after i'm again in an area with a strong 3G signal? this isn't my phone being wonky -- it's the spotify app. i have almost no other apps on my phone, and it's a clean, stock ROM on a motorola droid x.
it is i who doesn't understand how people do not see *any* issues with this app -- for me, it's a constant source of frustration.
I see a huge list of missing features and huge list of features that were in the app before, I do have a sense of quality.
Answers:
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- Use Bluetooth
* I use a bluetooth headset and it works like a charm. Whats wrong with it then? I know that the bluetooth sound lags a bit but that is up to Android OS itself not Spotify since Android 4.x have a bug in it that hasn't been corrected to 4.1 and people are guessing it won't be, so listening to music with bluetooth work OK, but playing / watching movies and sound coming via bluetooth are lagging = causing out of sync issues.
- Use the app on the go
* App / Device is the only device I play music from when I'm in the car or walking or doing anything. I use it at work on the PC, at home on a PC, in the car / on the go with a Galaxy Note, iPad when going to sleep / on the go. On the go = Streaming music (not using offline playlists unless I'm traveling abroad). via 3G / HSPA+
- use the app with a capped data plan
* No, since I have a unlimited speed / unlimited amount per month data plan for ~5e a month with amount of calls also in the package with dual-sim from my Operator and I use wifi when at home / work.
Other stuff
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I'v synced files from my PC to the device(s) working a-OK.
No playlists have gone missing, songs have (removed from catalog).
I'v never had issues with the app on ANY of my devices.
Samsung Galaxy Note (4.0.4 now)
HTC Sensation (4.0.4 now)
HTC Desire (2.2 now)
iPad G1 (5.x iOS - newest for it)
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
WIndows 7 Professional 32-bit
Windows 8 Enterprise 32-bit (short time testing)
I'v used it over wifi / 3g
I'v used it at home, abroad, everywhere I go.
Killing the app and opening it again, logging in and everythings working.
Disconnect and reconnect BT. Pause & Play - everything works.
Phone connects to the fastest network available without a problem.
Sound doesn't even stutter or disconnect. When driving in an area where the connection isn't so good, it does stutter a bit, then I swap to the offline playlists and continue.
So for me app the problems people are having - I haven't had them.
Screen rotation / orientation was what ticked me off and the SD card issue. I'v got both working, since Spotify might take some time to implement them, and for me, I'v downgraded to the older version, set the SD card, upgraded the app, synced playlists, everythings okeydokey. Screen rotation I set with the 3rd party app that was 50cent or such. Now I don't even have to use 3rd party launchers since my TouchWiz is also turning the way I want it to turn. Even up side down if I want to without limits. So does spotify and everything else.
So I truly do not understand. If you were in my spot, you'd be as baffled as I am.. Surely I know it uses loads of bandwidth but well, stuff work for me and I don't pay for it more than 5e / month.
While going abroad, my operator settings have been set to not allow any sort of data connections to the networks, so no large bills.
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i don't understand either how we could have such drastically different experiences. i almost want to ship you my phone so you can see for yourself. maybe there is a huge difference between android 2.3 and 4.x and you don't really execute all those use cases on your 2.x device(s)? i just can't believe it though. i am a software engineer. i know what careless software development looks like. and it looks like spotify. there are so many minor bugs that i'm sure most people don't even notice (like clicking on a playlist before all of the playlists have loaded in the background, which brings up the wrong one) that just indicate horribly sloppy amateurish coding... period. that won't be any different on a 4.x device, and it won't be any different when they release the next totally rewritten version in another 18 months.
all of those complaints are distinct from the ones about fundamental features just missing -- like landscape and SD location. and they're also distinct from the fact that spotify does not release updates, even to fix minor things that thousands of users complain about. if they employed half as many people to develop their android app as they do paying lip service to us in these forums, we'd have a reasonably professional app.
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i respectfully disagree with a lot of what you said. hard to assure 100% that all android devices work perfectly? absolutely true. but we are *NOWHERE* near talking about working perfectly. and as with any multi-platform software development, smart coding (e.g., staying away from version-specific or device-specific APIs) gets you 99% of the way there. spotify -- not even close. and as i've said before, these are not obscure bugs that only occur on one obscure device. my phone is one of the top selling android devices to date. if they were only testing on two or three devices, the droid x should most certainly have been one of them. yes, third party applications *can* cause issues, but that's not the case here, and it should never be with well-implemented software.
i don't think this was a "total rewrite" -- i think it was a UI rewrite -- the same core was reused. that's why things like the SD location logic is still there -- it's just that there's no UI to expose it -- this is proven by the fact that an older version gives you access to the UI to change it, and a newer version respects that saved configuration (which isn't overwritten by an upgrade). this also implies that it would be VERY VERY EASY to add the UI option back -- could there be some logistical/use case type issues with doing that? for sure -- but it's NOT like moving mountains to do this. we are talking about hours or days here... not months or years.
as i have said before, i don't know what's going on internally. we can speculate all we want about poor devs, poor management, intentional strategy, financial drivers, whatever... i'm not criticizing any particular individual or department. i'm criticizing the company. my gut feel is that they have very inexperienced android devs, and probably have far too few and high turnover (maybe because of management incompetence). they've invested a fair amount it seems in putting up appearances here in this forum, trying to constantly sell us on how hard these issues are to prioritize and resolve, when in reality, they're not being actively worked on at all, again for unknown reasons. are there idiots who barely know how to turn on their phone coming to this forum and getting helped? definitely. and that's what it's here for. but as far as everything else -- all of the quasi-formal bug reporting, all of the non-specific, "we're working on this issue -- thanks for your feedback -- keep looking for the next update," flat-out lies about things that were promised in updates that we still don't have, the "this is really hard -- we don't know if it's a bug" BS -- i could do without all of that, and they are NOT doing a good job of keeping anyone informed. if you're not actually working to improve the product and actually take customer feedback into account, then STOP ACTING LIKE IT!
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@neo-x wrote:
Still I believe they are saying what they are asked to tell us.
perhaps -- but i certainly don't commend them for doing that.
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